Iconoclasts Anonymous

Inane ravings of an irreverent slacker

Heli, heli, lama sabachthani?

Posted by Jeff on July 24, 2008

Well, PZ Myers has officially posted picturesof the great cracker desecration, along with a carefully cutting, critical, and cantankerous commentary on crazy Catholic customs and commotions concerning Christ’s corporeal combination with a crusty cracker. *whew*

There were a few points that I just HAD to comment on…

“I think if I were truly evil, I would have to demand that all of my acolytes be celibate, but would turn a blind eye to any sexual depravities they might commit. If I wanted to be an evil hypocrite, I’d drape myself in expensive jeweled robes and live in an ornate palace while telling all my followers that poverty is a virtue. If I wanted to commit world-class evil, I’d undermine efforts at family planning by the poor, especially if I could simultaneously enable the spread of deadly diseases. And if I wanted to be so evil that I would commit a devastating crime against the whole of the human race, twisting the minds of children into ignorance and hatred, I would be promoting the indoctrination of religion in children’s upbringing, and fomenting hatred against anyone who dared speak out in defiance.”

Myers made the preceding statement in response to the host(*chuckle*) of emails and commentors on his blog who informed him of his status as evil. While this is not a perfect and convincing argument in and of itself, I have to give PZ props for flair! This was a verbal suckerpunch to all the self-righteous Catholics who have been making a stink over host desecration as the vilest act imaginable. Get a little perspective people! Of course, PZ follows this up with a nice little Monty Python reference. Which, like the Spanich Inquisition, was complettely unexpected but timed perfectly.

What it comes down to is whether you agree with Professor Myers or not, he’s a LOUD voice against religious dogmatism and intolerance in this country and as such he’s valuable. It’s very important to let the so-called ‘moral majority’ know that a lot of people in this nation disagree with them, and some of us disagree passionately!

Not all of us are as aggressive as Myers, nor should we be. But SOMEone has to do it. For the record, I’m completely in PZ’s corner on this whole issue. For some reason, people have developed this tendency to think that because they are religious, they are entitled to special rights and privelidges. Well, that’s gotta stop!

Freedom of religion implies that the government will not interfere with you practicing whatever the hell you want as long as no one else is harmed. That is not the right to be free from being offended by the actions of others! Sure, desecrating a holr wafer may be offensive as hell. To YOU. My point here is SO FUCKING WHAT? You have every right to be offended, outraged even! But here’s the kicker: I have JUST AS MUCH RIGHT to offend as you have to be offended! No one should be attacked personally and publically the way Myers and Cook have been over this whole issue with the sacrimental Jesusloaf.

Well, no more ranting for me. I’ll leave you with a picture.

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4 Responses to “Heli, heli, lama sabachthani?”

  1. Jeff said

    What it comes down to is whether you agree with Professor Myers or not, he’s a LOUD voice against religious dogmatism and intolerance in this country and as such he’s valuable.

    So when your side ridicules and condemns the beliefs of Christians and other people of faith, that’s okay. However, if Christians ridicule or condemn the beliefs of atheists (or gays or socialists) that’s intolerance. Interesting…

    For some reason, people have developed this tendency to think that because they are religious, they are entitled to special rights and privelidges.

    That’s laughable considering all the special rights and privileges others are getting. People have been fired from other Universities just for writing letters to the editor or blog posts condemning homosexual behavior. I’ll bet nothing happens to Myers even though he has been, at best, childish and, at worst, hateful and intolerant.

  2. detroitus said

    It’s not about being nice or rude. People have a right to be offended when their beliefs are ridiculed, but that offense is not grounds for punishment. Beliefs are and should be subject to criticism. There is a difference between hatespeech and offensive speech in that hatespeech is an attack on a particular group due to their being in that group. You are welcome to be offended by what Myers did, and I’m sure you have every right to be offended. But being offended by what others say is the price we pay for free speech and the issue I have is when these people expect legal/ retributive action BECAUSE they were offended.

    Condemning homosexuals IS hatespeech and people should be held accountable for it, since one is condemning a whole group of people based solely on the fact that they are in that group. Criticizing a belief of a certain group and then condemning their aggressive and ridiculous reactions to that criticism is not.

  3. Jeff said

    Condemning homosexuals IS hatespeech

    It is wrong to simply condemn homosexuals. The Catholic Church does not condemn homosexuals, it condemns homosexual acts. The teaching is that we all have sinful inclinations – that’s part of being human. However, acting upon those inclinations is what is sinful whether it be kleptomania, pedophilia, rape, homosexual acts, sex outside of marriage, etc.

  4. detroitus said

    Obviously, my friend, you are entitled to consider whatever you want to be a sin. And I agree that we should be judged by our actions and NOT our desires. However, I take issue with you equating homosexuals to rapists, pedophiles, and thieves. These other groups are all causing harm to other non-consenting people, and as such SHOULD be considered taboo by society and its laws. The only reason, however, for someone to be against homosexuality (being between consenting adults) is bigotry or religion. Quite frankly, I don’t see either one as being much better of a reason than the other.

    I’m not really sure what your motivation for commenting with these thoughts is. I’ve never gone to a religious blog to troll in the comments section, so maybe I just don’t see the appeal. Whether you are trying to convince me of something or just sound smarter than me I don’t know. I do know that you’ve said nothing new and I’ve heard it all before.

    That being the case, I don’t see this as a particularly productive discussion.

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